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How Donald Trump tried to court the Atlantic – and why the liberal magazine landed an interview

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Hell hath frozen over: At the White House the other day, Donald Trump «was launching a charm offensive, directed mainly at Goldberg,» as in Jeffrey Goldberg, the Atlantic’s editor-in-chief. «There was none of the name-calling or hostility he regularly levels at our magazine.»

That’s according to Atlantic reporters Ashley Parker and Michael Scherer, who wrote the magazine’s cover story, which was posted yesterday.

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For all the insights gleaned from the interview, nothing is more fascinating than how it came about.

They called the president on his cell phone. (Wha? Who do I have to court to get that? The reporters ain’t saying.)

Trump says he did the initial phone interview to see if the liberal magazine could be fair.

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PRESIDENT TRUMP TELLS THE ATLANTIC HE RUNS THE COUNTRY ‘AND THE WORLD’

So I’m here to pronounce that the entire, seemingly endless piece is fair. The president hasn’t taken a shot at it on Truth Social, at least so far.

He has, however, ripped new polls from the «Failing New York Times» and «ABC/Washington Post» as «FAKE POLLS FROM FAKE NEWS ORGANIZATIONS,» saying they should be «investigated for ELECTION FRAUD, and add in the Fox News Pollster while you’re at it.» His lowest approval rating, in the Post-ABC survey, was 39 percent.

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Meanwhile, we may now look back on Trump’s 2024 victory as inevitable, but after Jan. 6 it was anything but. On the cell call, «The president seemed exhilarated by everything he had managed to do in the first two months of his second term.»

President Trump recently gave an interview to The Atlantic. (BRENDAN SMIALOWSKI/AFP via Getty Images)

And then came the transaction: «As ever, Trump was on the hunt for a deal. If he liked the story we wrote, he said, he might even speak with us again.»

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Goldberg describes the session: «What I found in this particular meeting was a Trump who was low-key, attentive, and eager to convince us that he is good at his job and good for the country. It isn’t easy to escape the tractor beam of his charisma, but somehow we managed, and we asked him what needed to be asked. 

«But squaring Trump the Charmer with the Orcish Trump we more frequently see is difficult…Trump posted on the social-media platform he owns that Ashley is a ‘Radical Left Lunatic’ (she is not) and that Michael ‘has never written a fair story about me, only negative, and virtually always LIES’ (also false). It is our task at the Atlantic not to be bullied by these sorts of attacks.»

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The most interesting Trump sound bite is his comparison of the two terms:

«The first time, I had two things to do—run the country and survive; I had all these crooked guys. And the second time, I run the country and the world.»

Parker and Scherer did many other interviews, such as with Steve Bannon. «Our reality is that we won,» and he cited the conspiracy theory that the FBI had incited the crowd on Jan. 6. The reporters said that was simply untrue. 

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«Now, here’s the interesting thing,» Bannon said. «Who’s won that argument? I think we have…

«This time it’s ‘Hey, f**k you, Greenland’s ours…When you’ve come back from such long odds, you clearly feel, ‘I can do anything.’ »

What about the four criminal investigations, including the conviction on the weakest one – Alvin Bragg’s hush money case? Trump says his numbers kept going up.

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«Shockingly, yes,» Trump said. «Normally, it would knock you out. You wouldn’t even live for the next day. You know, you’d announce your resignation, and you’d go back and ‘fight for your name,’ like everybody says—you know, ‘fight for your name, go back to your family.’ …Yeah, it made me stronger, made me a lot stronger.»

He also said in the phone interview: «I got indicted five different times by five different scumbags, and they’re all looking for jobs now, so it’s one of those things. Who would have thought, right? It’s been pretty amazing.»

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After the 2016 election, Trump told oil executives at Mar-a-Lago:

If I’m not president, you’re f***ed. Look at your profit-and-loss statements. You realize what would have happened to you if she was president? What’s wrong with you?») She was Kamala Harris, of course.

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Referring to the criminal cases against him – including the charges brought forth by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, Trump said «it made [him] stronger.» (Fulton County Sheriff’s Office via AP / Trump-Vance Transition Team)

One turning point: When he went to East Palestine, Ohio after the derailment of a train carrying toxic chemicals, while Joe Biden didn’t do squat.

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On the Kennedy Center: «I didn’t really get to go the first time, because I was always getting impeached or some bulls**t, and I could never enjoy a show.» So he fired the Democrats and made himself chairman.

All right, enough quotes. Wait, one more that captures the tone of the piece:

«I got 38 percent of the male Black vote. Nobody knew that was possible. That’s a lot. I got 56 percent of Hispanics. How about that one? Every county along the Texas border is Hispanic. I won every one of them.» Though every single number he cited was wrong, the general thrust of his observation was correct.»

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The reporters chronicled how things have gone south for the president, especially on tariffs and the economy, and how he pressured Hill Republicans into backing his nominees with primary threats. 

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After the March phone interview, the reporters tried Trump’s cellphone again. Just got voice mail. But at 1:38 am, he tried them back. No message.

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Trump believes he can win over even his worst enemies. In 2015 or 2016, I watched him make a beeline in the New York green room for Karl Rove, who was very rough on him. At worst, he thinks, he can neutralize the person. Or soften him or her up for the next time. He enjoys the challenge.

The mainstream media almost uniformly can’t stand Donald Trump. He does invite some of his own negative headlines, while providing unprecedented access, but much of the press is back in Resistance mode. 

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Still, the Atlantic’s original pitch is undeniable, that he’s «The Most Consequential President of the 21st Century.»

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Trump marks 100-days in office embroiled in trade battles, deadly wars and hard pressed deals

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President Donald Trump’s second term has taken the world by storm in his first 100 days, leaving allies and adversaries scrambling to respond to new U.S. tariffs, stalled peace negotiations and hardball diplomacy from the White House.

On the campaign trail, he pledged to hit allies and foes alike with massive tariffs, end Russia’s war in Ukraine within 24-hours and threatened that «all hell» would break out if all hostages were not freed from the clutches of Hamas in Gaza by the time he entered the Oval Office.

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While Trump has been able to make good on some of his promises, other ambitions remain unmet. Here’s what Trump has accomplished and what challenges remain:

POLL POSITION: WHERE DONALD TRUMP STANDS WITH AMERICANS 100 DAYS INTO HIS SECOND PRESIDENCY

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U.S. President Donald Trump speaks to the media in the Oval Office at the White House in Washington, D.C. (REUTERS/Evelyn Hockstein)

Where Russia’s war in Ukraine stands

Trump last week conceded that his pledge to end the three-year-old war in Ukraine within 24 hours of taking office was «figurative,» acknowledging it was never a realistic goal. The conflict has claimed a reported 1 million casualties.

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«I said that as an exaggeration,» he told reporters. 

While Trump has faced criticism over his ability to bring Russian President Vladimir Putin to the negotiating table, his team — led by Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and Secretary of State Antony Rubio — has made some headway, securing a 30-day ceasefire protecting Ukraine’s energy infrastructure.

But Putin has so far refused to enter any other brokered agreements, despite Kyiv’s willingness to play ball even after the historic Oval Office blow-up between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in February.

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Though Trump appeared to hold a grudge against Zelenskyy after Ukraine rejected a proposed mineral deal — even blaming him in part for Russia’s illegal invasion — relations between the two leaders appeared to improve over the weekend. Trump also set a new ultimatum for Putin, issuing a deadline to reach a ceasefire deal.

«Two weeks or less,» Trump told reporters Sunday, though he later added a bit more time would be acceptable. «We’ll see what happens over the next few days. We’ll probably learn a lot.»

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Trump said he was «surprised and disappointed» after Putin last week levied a barrage of missiles at Ukraine’s capital city of Kyiv in a strike that killed 12 civilians and injured nearly 100 more.

«I want him to stop shooting, sit down and sign a deal,» Trump said in reference to Putin. «We have the confines of a deal, I believe, and I want him to sign it and be done with it and just go back to life.»

Trump has not said how or whether he will hold Putin accountable if he doesn’t agree to a ceasefire and the White House has not responded to Fox News Digital’s repeated questions regarding the issue.

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President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy speak in Rome where they both attended Pope Francis’ funeral on April 26, 2025. (Vatican and Ukraine Ambassador to Holy See)

Gaza ceasefire

Before entering office, Trump repeatedly threatened Hamas that «all hell» would break out if they didn’t return all hostages by the time he arrived at the White House. 

But the Palestinian terror group has ignored his threats and rejected Trump’s February proposal to turn the Gaza Strip into the «Riviera of the Middle East,» saying it would adhere to a ceasefire agreement brokered between the terrorist organization and Israel, mediated by the U.S., Qatar and Egypt. 

Trump has not hit Hamas, nor have his negotiations to release hostages looked all that different from his predecessor’s.  

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The first phase of what was intended to be a three-phase ceasefire saw the return of 33 hostages taken by Hamas, the majority of whom were abducted in the Oct. 7, 2023 attack on Israel, as well as the release of 1,800 Palestinian prisoners held by Jerusalem. 

But 59 hostages remain in Gaza, including American-Israeli Edan Alexander, and hopes of a second phase collapsed after negotiations stalled on terms surrounding future hostage releases, and in March Israel reignited military operations in the Gaza Strip.

A Qatari official on Sunday said the main hiccup in securing a ceasefire following the latest round of talks last week is that Israel has not presented a clear solution to end the war in exchange for hostage releases, Reuters reported. 

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Trump on Friday said he pushed Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu to reopen aid corridors into Gaza, which have been blocked since March 2, in order to allow food and medicine to reach Palestinians, though humanitarian corridors have not yet been opened. 

IRAN, US BEGIN NEGOTIATIONS OVER TEHRAN’S ADVANCING NUCLEAR PROGRAM

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Gaza City, Gaza on February 02, 2025.  (Ali Jadallah/Anadolu via Getty Images)

Iran nuclear agreement

Trump on Sunday said he believes a deal to end Iran’s nuclear program can be achieved «without having to start dropping bombs all over the place.»

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Details on nuclear negotiations between the U.S. and Iran in Oman on Saturday, in which the third round of talks were held, remain nil, though Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi reportedly told Iranian state media they were «very serious and work-focused.» 

Araghchi described the hours-long talks as having finally «entered into deeper and more detailed discussions,» though no specifics of the negotiations have been released. 

It remains unclear if the Trump administration is pursuing a halt to Tehran’s nuclear advancement or a complete disarmament arrangement, which would see the destruction of Iran’s centrifuge facilities and its stockpiles of near-weapons-grade enriched uranium. 

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It also remains unclear how much time the president will allow for the negotiations to carry on. 

CHINA’S ECONOMIC WOES THREATEN REAL WAR AMID TARIFF BATTLE

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Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi, right, steps out from his plane as he arrives at Muscat, Oman, Friday, April 25, 2025, a day prior to negotiations with U.S. Mideast envoy Steve Witkoff. (AP)

Relations with China deteriorate

Relations between the U.S. and China have hit a level of animosity not seen between the two superpowers since Washington normalized ties with the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) in the 1970s. 

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The initial U.S.-China trade war started during Trump’s first term, in which he hit China with 25% tariffs on $50 billion in Chinese goods in April 2018.

Beijing responded by slapping reciprocal tariffs on $50 billion worth of U.S. goods, mostly targeting U.S. agricultural products worth some $16.5 billion — a trade war that saw the loss of a quarter of a million U.S. jobs by January 2021, according to the U.S.-China Business Council (USCBC).

From the campaign trail, Trump threatened to hit China with 60% tariffs — which he nearly did in early April when he announced an additional 34% tariff on top of the existing taxes already in place. 

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But what had already sent geopolitical shockwaves and sparked near-immediate market concerns was further escalated just over a week later when Trump ratcheted up tariffs on Beijing to 145%. 

China has responded by hitting Washington with its own 125% reciprocal tariffs on U.S. imports and, according to a Bloomberg report on Monday, cargo supply shipments have already dropped by 60%.

Americans are expected to begin feeling the pains of the trade war come mid-May.

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Photos of President Donald Trump signing an executive order at the Oval Office of the White House, next to photos of the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) as investors and markets reacted earlier this month to the news of Trump's reciprocal tariffs. Photos via Getty Images

Photos of President Donald Trump signing an executive order at the Oval Office of the White House, next to photos of the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) as investors and markets reacted earlier this month to the news of Trump’s reciprocal tariffs. Photos via Getty Images  (Getty Images)

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Trump said last week he had reached some 200 trade deals with countries affected by his sweeping tariffs — measures that hit nearly every U.S. trading partner, including longtime allies. He paused the tariffs for 90 days earlier this month following intense backlash.

The status of trading relations with U.S. partners remains unclear, along with whether the administration will implement the blanket tariffs on those nations come July.

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The 25% tariffs on steel, aluminum and imported vehicles remain in effect.

The White House did not directly respond to Fox News Digital’s questions regarding next steps Trump will takes when it comes to handling thus far unresolved conflict in Ukraine and the Gaza Strip.

A White House spokesman instead said, «President Trump inherited widespread foreign conflicts and a weak standing on the world stage from Joe Biden. Now, America is strong again, hostages are free from Gaza, Marc Fogel and Ksenia Karelina are home, hundreds of Houthi and other terrorists have been eliminated, and we are closer to peace than ever before. 

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«This President will never get the credit he deserves for his vast foreign policy accomplishments, but Americans know they are freer and safer under his leadership,» the spokesman added.


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Trump steams ahead on these campaign promises as he reaches 100 days in office

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President Donald Trump is now at the finish line of his first 100 days of his second term in the White House, as of Tuesday. 

Key tenants of Trump’s first 100 days include imposing harsh tariffs on Chinese imports, starting and continuing peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine, unveiling plans to dismantle organizations like the Education Department and cracking down on border security amid a mass deportation initiative. 

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The period also marked a steep increase in executive orders in comparison to previous presidents. Altogether, Trump has signed over 140 executive orders during his first 100 days in office during his second term. That is an increase from the 33 he signed during the first 100 days of his first term, and up from the previous record of 99 that former President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed during that same timeframe. 

The Trump administration’s mass deportation effort is in full force, and border czar Tom Homan told reporters Monday that border crossings were down by 96% under the Trump administration. 

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White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt speaks as White House «border czar» Tom Homan looks on during the daily briefing in the Brady Briefing Room of the White House in Washington, D.C., on April 28, 2025. (Jim Watson/AFP via Getty Images)

Additionally, the White House said earlier in April it has deported more than 100,000 illegal immigrants in 2025. The administration’s handling of these deportations has attracted scrutiny in certain high-profile cases, including one involving El Salvador native Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who the Trump administration claimed in court filings was deported by mistake. 

However, the Trump administration has since said Garcia is a member of the MS-13 gang and has released protective order documents from his wife. 

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Following through on another campaign promise, the Trump administration unveiled sweeping tariffs against a host of countries on April 2, after historically lambasting other countries’ trade practices and accusing them of engaging in unfair trade practices against the U.S.

«For decades, our country has been looted, pillaged, raped and plundered by nations near and far, both friend and foe alike,» Trump said April 2 at the White House. 

The administration later walked back its initial proposal, and announced April 9 it would immediately hike tariffs on Chinese goods to 145% but scale back reciprocal tariffs on other countries for 90 days to a baseline of 10%. In response, China proceeded to boost its tariffs on U.S. goods to 125%.

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Additionally, Trump signed an executive order on March 20 to overhaul the Education Department — following through on a campaign promise he made to eliminate the federal government’s influence over education and «stop the abuse of your taxpayer dollars to indoctrinate America’s youth.»

TRUMP’S EXECUTIVE ORDER SURGE: THE UNPRECEDENTED USE OF PRESIDENTIAL AUTHORITY

President Donald Trump signs an executive order to reduce the size and scope of the Education Department alongside school children signing their own versions, during a ceremony in the East Room of the White House on March 20, 2025.

President Donald Trump signs an executive order to reduce the size and scope of the Education Department alongside school children signing their own versions, during a ceremony in the East Room of the White House on March 20, 2025. (Getty)

A White House fact sheet on the executive order said the directive aims to «turn over education to families instead of bureaucracies» and instructs Education Secretary Linda McMahon to «take all necessary steps to facilitate the closure of the Department of Education and return education authority to the States, while continuing to ensure the effective and uninterrupted delivery of services, programs, and benefits on which Americans rely.»

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Still, Trump revealed that functions of the department overseeing Pell Grants, student loans and others that provide services for those with special needs would continue at other agencies.

Likewise, Trump has long called for an end to the conflict between Russia and Ukraine and promised to end the conflict between the two within 24 hours during his time on the campaign trail. 

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President Donald Trump, right, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy sparred during Zelenskyy's visit to the White House in February but have since picked up peace discussions to end the conflict with Russia.

President Donald Trump, right, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy sparred during Zelenskyy’s visit to the White House in February but have since picked up peace discussions to end the conflict with Russia. (Getty)

Still, he has continued to advance negotiations during his first 100 days in office — including hosting Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to the White House in February. Trump said Sunday that he is aiming to end the war in the next two weeks or so and that he wants Russian President Vladimir Putin to stop launching strikes against Kyiv. 

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«I want him to stop shooting, sit down and sign a deal,» Trump told reporters Sunday on the way back from Italy for Pope Francis’ funeral. «We have the confines of a deal I believe and I want him to sign it and be done with it and just go back to life.»

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El secreto sobre el Papa Francisco que reveló el patriarca armenio, Karekin II

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Las relaciones entre la Iglesia Católica Apostólica Armenia se manifiestan fluidas y la presencia del patriarca Karekin II en Roma para los funerales del Papa Francisco, el sábado pasado, fue un hecho más que visible desde Erevan.

Además, la muerte del argentino Jorge Bergoglio, el pasado 21 de abril, coincidió casi en fecha con un acontecimiento histórico en este país: los 110 años del genocidio armenio bajo el Imperio Otomano.

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En un audiencia especial concedida al llamado Grupo de Amigos de Armenia, que invitó a Clarín y otros medios de habla hispana a Erevan, el patriarca Karekin II reveló un hecho desconocido que involucra a Francisco y a su elección como Papa, en 2013. También a su antecesor, Benedicto XVI en relación a lo que fue luego, en 2015, el reconocimiento oficial por parte de un jefe de Estado del Vaticano de que las matanzas de alrededor de un millón y medio de armenios entre 1915 y 1917 fue el “Primer Genocidio del Siglo XX”. Esas fueron las declaraciones de Francisco en su misa en la Basílica de San Pedro el domingo 12 de abril de 2015.

El encuentro del patriarca Karekin II con el Grupo de Amigos de Armenia, que reúne argentinos que viajaron a Erevan. Fotografía tomada por las autoridades de la Iglesia Apostólica Armenia en el complejo monástico de Echmiatsin

Tras una rigurosa introducción en la que dio una cálida bienvenida al grupo, habló de su presencia el sábado en los funerales de Francisco, a quien vio varias veces, inclusive siendo arzobispo de Buenos Aires, en su visita a la Argentina de 2004, y de lo preocupado que está por lo que llamó un embestida de Azerbaiyán de borrar todo vestigio espiritual y cultural del pueblo armenio de lo que aquí llamaron siempre la República de Artsaj, que es también Nagorno Karabaj, Clarín hizo una pregunta.

La misma refirió a qué impresión y qué recuerdos tenía de Francisco a quien vio varias veces. También si tenía algún alguna anécdota no revelada y alguna palabra sobre el hecho de que fuera el primer Papa que oficialmente dijera en público que lo de 1915 fue genocidio.

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Como fue una audiencia en la que este diario está autorizado a transmitir lo hablado, pero no una entrevista periodística de pregunta y respuesta, se puede afirmar que Karekin II contó que tiempo antes de que renunciara y cuando nadie lo sabía, Benedicto XVI le escuchó en una audiencia en el Vaticano sugerir que hicieran una ceremonia conjunta para las conmemoraciones del aniversario número cien del genocidio armenio, que se cumplían el 24 de abril de 2015, y que “Benedicto nos dijo las celebraciones va a ser con un Papa más joven».

El aceptó tener celebraciones en el Vaticano y Armenia pero le dijo: «‘Van a ser hechas por usted y un Papa más joven´. Por supuesto, yo no supe de qué estaba hablando y bromeé al respecto y meses después el renunció, y Francisco el Papa fue elegido”.

Pero al mismo tiempo, sostuvo que la cuestión del genocidio armenio también la había hablado anteriormente en privado con el papa Juan Pablo II, el polaco Karol Wojtyla.

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Karekin II no abordó con este grupo si Benedicto ya pensaba en Bergoglio o no cuando evidentemente ya tenía en mente renunciar al papado. Pero sí dijo que, posteriormente a la elección de Francisco como Papa, hubo un proceso por el cual en determinadas audiencias privadas ambos hablaron de lo que terminaría siendo la celebración conjunta en San Pedro y la visita de Francisco a Armenia en junio 2016.

El papa Francisco y el patriarca de la Iglesia Apostólica Armenia, Karekín II, frente al monte Ararat en junio de 2016  (foto de AFP Photo / Osservatore Romano).El papa Francisco y el patriarca de la Iglesia Apostólica Armenia, Karekín II, frente al monte Ararat en junio de 2016 (foto de AFP Photo / Osservatore Romano).

El alemán Joseph Ratzinger renunció al papado el 28 de febrero de 2013 en medio de los escándalos financieros y las denuncias de abusos sexuales que sacudían al Vaticano. Ratzinger en tanto, habló de serios problemas de insomnio que “sin interrupción” lo torturaba. El 13 de marzo asumía Jorge Bergoglio, adoptando el nombre del jesuita Francisco para su papado.

“El fue un gran hombre de caridad, y con mucho coraje y va a ser recordado como tal”, dijo al Grupo de Amigos de Armenia este lunes Karekin II.

El jefe de la Iglesia Armenia recibió al grupo de argentinos este jueves en una sala de recepción dentro de Echmiatsin, el complejo monástico que hoy es sede de todos los armenios apostólicos, y alberga varios edificios que se remontan a los siglos IV y XVII. Para preservar el protocolo, el Catholicos habló en armenio, y un religioso ofició de traductor, en inglés.

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El Grupo de Amigos de Armenia que viajó este año está integrado, entre otros por Juan Pablo Gechidjian, empresario argentino que reside en los Estados Unidos; por el economista y director en el Banco Central, Juan Curuchet; por la vicepresidenta de ALPI, Adriana Vaccaro; la empresaria y desarrolladora Silvana González y el abogado Santiago Lozano.

En su misa del 12 de abril de 2015, en San Pedro, Bergoglio se convirtió en el primer Papa católico que, públicamente se refirió al genocidio armenio. “La humanidad ha vivido en el siglo pasado tres grandes tragedias inauditas. La primera, que es generalmente considerada el primer genocidio del siglo veinte, golpeó a vuestro pueblo armenio”, dijo, para luego considerar al nazismo y al estalinismo como los otros dos.

La molestia de Turquía se hizo sentir rápidamente. El gobierno del aún presidente, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, convocó al representante del Vaticano en Akara para expresarle su molestia.

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Pero las declaraciones de Francisco no quedaron ahí. En junio de 2016, el ahora fallecido Bergoglio terminaba su visita oficial a Armenia, en el santuario de Khor Virap, a pocos kilómetros de la frontera con Turquía. El y Karekin lanzaron palomas blancas en dirección al monte Ararat, que está en territorio turco.

Aunque entonces se dijo desde Roma que iba a evitar cobrar la palabra genocidio para no generar más enojos, Francisco la deslizó en un discurso en Erevan ante dirigentes políticos. “Esa tragedia, ese genocidio, ha marcado lamentablemente el inicio de la triste serie de catástrofes inmensas del siglo pasado”, dijo.

Turquía no reconoce que hubo genocidio en las aldeas armenias, sino una cantidad de muertos menor al calor de la Primera Guerra Mundial, y bajo el ahora desaparecido Imperio Otomano, del que es heredero como Estado. Armenia, en tanto, hizo causa nacional de esta tragedia.

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Otro hecho que recuerda el Patriarca es que, bajo el Arzobispado de Buenos Aires, el entonces cardenal Bergoglio fue protagonista del emplazamiento en la Catedral Metropolitana de un khachkar, la típica cruz de piedra armenia. Fue para el 95° aniversario del Genocidio, y en memoria de los mártires.

A horas de morir, en la Pascua del domingo, Francisco hizo otro guiño al pueblo armenio, al pedir paz entre este país y su otro enemigo, Azerbaiyán, al que se refirió largamente el Patriarca este lunes con el grupo de argentinos.

“Oremos para que pronto se firme y se implemente un acuerdo de paz final entre Armenia y Azerbaiyán.” expresó.

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