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How Donald Trump tried to court the Atlantic – and why the liberal magazine landed an interview

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Hell hath frozen over: At the White House the other day, Donald Trump «was launching a charm offensive, directed mainly at Goldberg,» as in Jeffrey Goldberg, the Atlantic’s editor-in-chief. «There was none of the name-calling or hostility he regularly levels at our magazine.»

That’s according to Atlantic reporters Ashley Parker and Michael Scherer, who wrote the magazine’s cover story, which was posted yesterday.

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For all the insights gleaned from the interview, nothing is more fascinating than how it came about.

They called the president on his cell phone. (Wha? Who do I have to court to get that? The reporters ain’t saying.)

Trump says he did the initial phone interview to see if the liberal magazine could be fair.

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So I’m here to pronounce that the entire, seemingly endless piece is fair. The president hasn’t taken a shot at it on Truth Social, at least so far.

He has, however, ripped new polls from the «Failing New York Times» and «ABC/Washington Post» as «FAKE POLLS FROM FAKE NEWS ORGANIZATIONS,» saying they should be «investigated for ELECTION FRAUD, and add in the Fox News Pollster while you’re at it.» His lowest approval rating, in the Post-ABC survey, was 39 percent.

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Meanwhile, we may now look back on Trump’s 2024 victory as inevitable, but after Jan. 6 it was anything but. On the cell call, «The president seemed exhilarated by everything he had managed to do in the first two months of his second term.»

President Trump recently gave an interview to The Atlantic. (BRENDAN SMIALOWSKI/AFP via Getty Images)

And then came the transaction: «As ever, Trump was on the hunt for a deal. If he liked the story we wrote, he said, he might even speak with us again.»

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Goldberg describes the session: «What I found in this particular meeting was a Trump who was low-key, attentive, and eager to convince us that he is good at his job and good for the country. It isn’t easy to escape the tractor beam of his charisma, but somehow we managed, and we asked him what needed to be asked. 

«But squaring Trump the Charmer with the Orcish Trump we more frequently see is difficult…Trump posted on the social-media platform he owns that Ashley is a ‘Radical Left Lunatic’ (she is not) and that Michael ‘has never written a fair story about me, only negative, and virtually always LIES’ (also false). It is our task at the Atlantic not to be bullied by these sorts of attacks.»

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The most interesting Trump sound bite is his comparison of the two terms:

«The first time, I had two things to do—run the country and survive; I had all these crooked guys. And the second time, I run the country and the world.»

Parker and Scherer did many other interviews, such as with Steve Bannon. «Our reality is that we won,» and he cited the conspiracy theory that the FBI had incited the crowd on Jan. 6. The reporters said that was simply untrue. 

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«Now, here’s the interesting thing,» Bannon said. «Who’s won that argument? I think we have…

«This time it’s ‘Hey, f**k you, Greenland’s ours…When you’ve come back from such long odds, you clearly feel, ‘I can do anything.’ »

What about the four criminal investigations, including the conviction on the weakest one – Alvin Bragg’s hush money case? Trump says his numbers kept going up.

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«Shockingly, yes,» Trump said. «Normally, it would knock you out. You wouldn’t even live for the next day. You know, you’d announce your resignation, and you’d go back and ‘fight for your name,’ like everybody says—you know, ‘fight for your name, go back to your family.’ …Yeah, it made me stronger, made me a lot stronger.»

He also said in the phone interview: «I got indicted five different times by five different scumbags, and they’re all looking for jobs now, so it’s one of those things. Who would have thought, right? It’s been pretty amazing.»

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After the 2016 election, Trump told oil executives at Mar-a-Lago:

If I’m not president, you’re f***ed. Look at your profit-and-loss statements. You realize what would have happened to you if she was president? What’s wrong with you?») She was Kamala Harris, of course.

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Referring to the criminal cases against him – including the charges brought forth by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, Trump said «it made [him] stronger.» (Fulton County Sheriff’s Office via AP / Trump-Vance Transition Team)

One turning point: When he went to East Palestine, Ohio after the derailment of a train carrying toxic chemicals, while Joe Biden didn’t do squat.

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On the Kennedy Center: «I didn’t really get to go the first time, because I was always getting impeached or some bulls**t, and I could never enjoy a show.» So he fired the Democrats and made himself chairman.

All right, enough quotes. Wait, one more that captures the tone of the piece:

«I got 38 percent of the male Black vote. Nobody knew that was possible. That’s a lot. I got 56 percent of Hispanics. How about that one? Every county along the Texas border is Hispanic. I won every one of them.» Though every single number he cited was wrong, the general thrust of his observation was correct.»

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The reporters chronicled how things have gone south for the president, especially on tariffs and the economy, and how he pressured Hill Republicans into backing his nominees with primary threats. 

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After the March phone interview, the reporters tried Trump’s cellphone again. Just got voice mail. But at 1:38 am, he tried them back. No message.

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Trump believes he can win over even his worst enemies. In 2015 or 2016, I watched him make a beeline in the New York green room for Karl Rove, who was very rough on him. At worst, he thinks, he can neutralize the person. Or soften him or her up for the next time. He enjoys the challenge.

The mainstream media almost uniformly can’t stand Donald Trump. He does invite some of his own negative headlines, while providing unprecedented access, but much of the press is back in Resistance mode. 

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Still, the Atlantic’s original pitch is undeniable, that he’s «The Most Consequential President of the 21st Century.»

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Vance se enfrenta a una prueba crucial de sus habilidades de negociación en las conversaciones con Irán

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WASHINGTON — Semanas después de que el vicepresidente JD Vance advirtiera en privado al presidente Donald Trump sobre los costos de una guerra a gran escala de Estados Unidos con Irán, ahora encabeza la iniciativa para negociar el fin de la mayor crisis de política exterior que el presidente ha enfrentado durante su mandato.

Se espera que Vance, junto con Steve Witkoff, enviado especial del presidente, y Jared Kushner, yerno de Trump, viajen a Pakistán el viernes para dialogar con los iraníes, en un momento en que el alto el fuego entre Estados Unidos e Irán se encuentra bajo presión.

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Sería la reunión de más alto nivel entre funcionarios estadounidenses e iraníes desde 1979.

Lo que está en juego es enorme para Trump y para Vance, cuyos encargos de mayor relevancia por parte de Trump han estado relacionados con la política interna, más recientemente como el «zar del fraude» del presidente.

Antes de que comenzara la guerra, el vicepresidente planeaba centrarse en recorrer el país antes de las elecciones de mitad de mandato, contrarrestando la preocupación generalizada por el costo de vida y la asequibilidad atacando a los demócratas por estar desconectados de la realidad y ser políticamente extremistas.

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La guerra ha trastocado ese discurso.

El bloqueo iraní en torno al estrecho de Ormuz, una ruta petrolera clave, ha disparado los precios de la energía.

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“El hecho de que este sea un año de elecciones de mitad de mandato representa la mayor ventaja que tienen los iraníes, y ellos lo saben”, afirmó Marc Short, quien fue jefe de gabinete del vicepresidente Mike Pence, predecesor de Vance durante el primer mandato de Trump.

“Eso supone un reto para el equipo negociador del presidente”.

Añadió: “En el mejor de los casos, las negociaciones serían exitosas y generarían una gran repercusión mediática. Pero, ¿acaso Irán no sabe que puede incumplir los términos, como ya lo ha hecho en el pasado?”.

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Vance, de 41 años, se ha mantenido en gran medida al margen de otras misiones de política exterior de alto riesgo, incluida la operación para capturar a Nicolás Maduro y deponerlo como líder de Venezuela.

Se encontraba de viaje en Azerbaiyán en febrero, cuando el primer ministro israelí, Benjamin Netanyahu, hizo una presentación solicitando la intervención de Estados Unidos en una guerra con Irán.

El martes, mientras el presidente amenazaba con aniquilar la civilización iraní, Vance se encontraba en Hungría haciendo campaña a favor de Viktor Orbán, el primer ministro nacionalista del país.

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Vance encabezará ahora los esfuerzos para persuadir a los iraníes de que mantengan abierto el estrecho, incluso mientras los israelíes continúan su campaña de bombardeos contra Hezbolá, respaldado por Irán, en el Líbano.

Este conflicto, según Estados Unidos, no forma parte del actual acuerdo de alto el fuego, pero amenaza con desbaratarlo.

Su oposición inicial a la guerra está resultando atractiva para los funcionarios paquistaníes, quienes, según dos personas familiarizadas con esas conversaciones, pidieron a Witkoff que Vance se involucrara.

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Posteriormente, el presidente solicitó al vicepresidente que liderara el esfuerzo de paz.

Los próximos días podrían suponer un delicado equilibrio para Vance, quien deberá trabajar estrechamente con Witkoff y Kushner, dos personas con profundos vínculos con Trump que han estado viajando por el mundo en su nombre, mientras intenta poner fin a la guerra.

Los aliados de Vance afirman que su presencia aporta formalidad y peso a las negociaciones lideradas por Witkoff y Kushner, cuyo trabajo, a menudo acelerado, se desarrolla mediante constantes llamadas telefónicas a Washington y la redacción, edición y distribución de numerosas propuestas.

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Vance también se une a dos negociadores que, en una primera ronda de conversaciones, no lograron evitar la guerra.

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Su participación pone de relieve la complejidad de la vicepresidencia moderna: a diferencia de otros miembros del Gabinete, Vance no tiene un rol definido constitucionalmente ni una agencia a su cargo.

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Para quienes han ocupado este puesto, la falta de una línea de actuación establecida puede resultar desestabilizadora y frustrante. Como vicepresidente, Vance se ha contentado con ser una figura polivalente, dispuesto a ir donde se le necesite en lugar de solicitar tareas específicas, según una persona cercana a él que no estaba autorizada a hablar públicamente.

Pero el vicepresidente es la única persona en la administración que puede ser facultada de inmediato para asumir una misión diplomática de alto nivel y hablar como emisario directo del presidente.

“Dado que el vicepresidente tiene la capacidad de coordinar todos los asuntos como ningún otro miembro del Gabinete, es lo más parecido a un reflejo del presidente que se puede encontrar”, afirmó Philip H. Gordon, quien fuera asesor de seguridad nacional de la vicepresidenta Kamala Harris.

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“El vicepresidente no tiene por qué ser el centro de todo, pero cuando se le pide que emprenda una importante misión diplomática, entonces se le otorga un poder enorme”.

En 2021, Harris fue enviada a Francia para mejorar las relaciones con el presidente Emmanuel Macron después de que Estados Unidos, Australia y Gran Bretaña cancelaran abruptamente un lucrativo y estratégicamente importante contrato de submarinos que los franceses tenían con los australianos.

Por su parte, Trump tiene un historial de enviar a su número dos a resolver espinosas disputas geopolíticas.

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En 2019, Trump convocó a un desprevenido Pence al Despacho Oval y le ordenó que se dirigiera a Ankara, la capital turca, para persuadir al presidente del país, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, de que retirara sus tropas del norte de Siria.

Tras cinco horas de negociaciones, Pence logró un acuerdo de alto el fuego que Estados Unidos presentó como una victoria.

En realidad, Erdogan se negó a retirarse del enclave, ganando territorio y desplazando a decenas de miles de kurdos en la región sin pagar un precio diplomático.

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Ahora, Vance tiene la tarea de ayudar a resolver un conflicto de mayor envergadura y complejidad que el que enfrentó Pence.

Antes de regresar a Estados Unidos el miércoles, Vance declaró a la prensa que había dedicado mucho tiempo a realizar llamadas telefónicas para intentar lograr un alto el fuego, pero advirtió que el presidente reanudaría los combates si la tregua no se mantenía.

“Pasé mucho tiempo al teléfono”, dijo Vance. Y añadió:

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“Creo que el presidente ha conseguido un buen acuerdo para el pueblo estadounidense, pero, fundamentalmente, los iraníes tienen que dar el siguiente paso, o el presidente tiene muchas opciones para volver a la guerra”.

Para Vance, este papel de mayor relevancia podría reforzar, pero también complicar, su futuro político.

“Esto reduce cualquier oportunidad que pudiera tener de distanciarse de la política si va a ser el negociador principal”, dijo Gordon.

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En varias ocasiones durante el segundo mandato de Trump, Vance expresó en privado su desacuerdo con la política exterior del presidente.

En un mensaje de chat de Signal con otros altos funcionarios de Trump a principios del año pasado, Vance dijo que consideraba que el momento elegido para la próxima operación en Yemen era un «error» y pareció cuestionar si Trump comprendía las posibles consecuencias de la acción, según The Atlantic, que publicó fragmentos de la conversación.

Vance también mantiene estrechos vínculos con algunos de los disidentes más vocales de la guerra, incluido Tucker Carlson, a quien Trump atacó el jueves junto con un grupo de críticos conservadores, diciendo que tenían un «coeficiente intelectual bajo» y que eran «unos tontos que gesticulaban sin sentido».

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Mientras Vance cultiva sus ambiciones políticas, Trump ha mencionado repetidamente a Marco Rubio, su secretario de Estado y asesor de seguridad nacional, como otro posible candidato presidencial.

Rubio, en cambio, ha estado mucho más alineado con la agenda de política exterior de Trump y ha sido fundamental para ella.

En Islamabad, Vance tendrá su prueba de negociación más importante en el escenario mundial, y los expertos advierten que se enfrenta a una tarea ardua.

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“A pesar de que el alto el fuego se presentó como un acuerdo, en realidad fue un acuerdo muy limitado sobre un alto el fuego, con todo lo demás por determinar”, dijo Gordon.

Añadió: «Va a ser un proceso feo, desordenado e incompleto».

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North Korea fires missiles toward sea after ridiculing South’s hopes for better ties

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North Korea fired multiple short-range ballistic missiles toward the sea Wednesday in its second launch event in two days, South Korea’s military said, hours after a senior North Korean official released crude insults against Seoul’s hopes for warmer relations.

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South Korea’s joint chiefs of staff said several missiles lifted off from North Korea’s eastern coastal Wonsan area on Wednesday morning and flew about 240 kilometers (150 miles) each in a direction toward the North’s eastern waters. It said an additional North Korean ballistic missile fired later Wednesday traveled more than 700 kilometers (435 miles) off the North’s east coast.

South Korea’s military said it maintains a readiness to repel any provocations by North Korea under a solid military alliance with the United States. It earlier said it detected the launch of an unidentified projectile from North Korea’s capital region Tuesday.

South Korean media reported the projectile, also likely a ballistic missile, disappeared from South Korean military radars after displaying an abnormal development in the initial launch stage. This indicated the launch ended in failure, according to the reports.

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People at Seoul Railway Station in Seoul, South Korea, on April 8, 2026, watch as the news shows file imagery of North Korea’s missile launch. The missile tests come as North Korea continues weapons development and strengthens ties with Russia and China. (AP Photo/Ahn Young-joon)

The back-to-back launches came after North Korea made it clear that it has no intention of improving ties with South Korea, whose liberal government has steadfastly expressed its hopes to restore long-dormant dialogue.

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On Tuesday night, Jang Kum Chol, first vice minister at Pyongyang’s Foreign Ministry, said South Korea would always remain North Korea’s «most hostile enemy state.» He derided South Korea as «world-startling fools» engaged in wishful thinking over a recent statement by Kim Yo Jong, the influential sister of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

After South Korean President Lee Jae Myung expressed regret over alleged civilian drone flights into North Korea, Kim Yo Jong late Monday praised him for what she called honesty and courage, but reiterated a threat to retaliate if such flights recur. South Korean officials responded by describing Kim Yo Jong’s statement as meaningful progress in relations.

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Kim Jong Un delivers a speech in Pyongyang, North Korea, on February 15, 2026. North Korea fired multiple short-range ballistic missiles into its eastern waters on Wednesday, April 8, 2026, after rejecting South Korea’s overtures for improved relations. (KCNA VIA KNS / AFP via Getty Images)

Jang said her statement was intended as a warning. He cited Kim Yo Jong as calling South Korea «the dogs affected by mange that blindly bark to the tune of neighboring dogs» as she criticized it for recently co-sponsoring a U.N. resolution on the North’s purported human rights violations.

North Korea has refused to return to talks with South Korea and the U.S. and pushed to expand its nuclear arsenal since Kim Jong Un’s diplomacy with U.S. President Donald Trump collapsed in 2019. North Korea has instead sought to strengthen ties with Russia, China and other countries embroiled in confrontations with the U.S. Last September, Kim Jong Un traveled to Beijing to attend a military parade alongside other foreign leaders and held his first summit with Chinese President Xi Jinping in six years.

North Korea’s state media said Wednesday that Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi will visit North Korea on Thursday for a two-day trip.

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People walk down the street in Pyongyang on March 23, 2026. Pyongyang escalated tensions with back-to-back missile tests on April 8, 2026, while issuing harsh rhetoric against Seoul’s diplomatic efforts. (KIM Won Jin / AFP via Getty Images)

Earlier this week, North Korea said Kim Jong Un had observed a test of an upgraded solid-fuel engine for weapons and called it a significant development boosting his country’s strategic military arsenal.

Missiles with built-in solid propellants are easier to move and conceal their launches than liquid-fuel weapons, which in general must be fueled before liftoff and cannot last long.

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South Korea’s spy agency told lawmakers Monday the engine test was likely related to an effort to build a more powerful solid-fuel intercontinental ballistic missile that can carry multiple nuclear warheads, according to lawmakers who attended the meeting.

Experts say North Korea wants multi-warhead missiles to penetrate U.S. missile defenses, but they doubt Pyongyang has mastered the technology needed to acquire such a weapon.

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Vance en route to Pakistan for high-stakes Iran talks as ‘fragile’ ceasefire teeters

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Vice President JD Vance is set to arrive in Pakistan early Saturday, where he will lead high-stakes negotiations with Iran aimed at preserving a fragile ceasefire and preventing a broader regional war.

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Vance is joined by U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law, as part of a senior delegation engaging Iranian officials in Islamabad.

Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi and Speaker of Parliament Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf will be negotiating for Iran. 

The talks, scheduled for Saturday, come over a month after the U.S. launched Operation Epic Fury Feb. 28 — a sweeping military campaign targeting Iran’s military infrastructure following the collapse of nuclear negotiations.

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Vice President JD Vance spoke to reporters before boarding Air Force Two at Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport on April 8, 2026, in Budapest, Hungary.  (Jonathan Ernst-Pool/Getty Images)

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That operation pushed the U.S. and Iran to the brink of a ground war before a tenuous diplomatic breakthrough in recent days. 

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Trump announced a two-week ceasefire Tuesday, agreeing to suspend further U.S. strikes on the condition that Iran reopen the Strait of Hormuz, a critical global shipping route.

While Iran signaled it would allow passage through the strait as part of the agreement, traffic remains severely disrupted, with shipping companies hesitant to resume normal operations amid ongoing security concerns and uncertainty over enforcement.

Vance struck a cautious tone before departing, warning Iran not to test the U.S. negotiating posture.

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«If they’re gonna try and play us, then they’re gonna find that the negotiating team is not that receptive,» Vance said, adding he still expects the talks to be «positive.»

The outcome of the talks could determine whether the ceasefire holds or collapses into renewed hostilities, as both sides remain deeply divided after weeks of conflict.

Iranian officials have struck a cautious and conditional tone ahead of the talks. 

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Iran’s Supreme National Security Council said it accepted the two-week ceasefire but warned «this does not signify the termination of the war,» adding that «our hands remain upon the trigger» if the agreement is violated.

Vance described the agreement Wednesday as a «fragile truce.»

Iran also has tied the success of the ceasefire to developments in Lebanon, insisting that Israeli strikes on Hezbollah must stop as part of any broader agreement. Tehran has warned that continued attacks could jeopardize the talks, highlighting a key dispute with Israel and the U.S., which have argued Lebanon is not covered by the truce.

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Pakistan has emerged as a key intermediary, positioning itself as a neutral venue between Washington and Iran after helping broker the initial truce. But that role is already facing scrutiny.

Pakistan’s defense minister, Khawaja Asif, sparked backlash recently after calling Israel’s actions a «curse on humanity» in a now-deleted X post and, in a separate exchange, saying critics should «burn in hell.»

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Security personnel inspect vehicles entering the Foreign Ministry office in Islamabad April 9, 2026. (Aamir QURESHI / AFP via Getty Images)

The remarks drew a sharp response from Israeli officials, who questioned Pakistan’s credibility as a neutral broker. Israeli leaders described the comments as «outrageous» and warned such rhetoric was incompatible with serving as a mediator, while Israel’s ambassador to India publicly said, «we don’t trust Pakistan.»

Pakistani officials have not directly addressed the controversy surrounding Asif’s remarks but have defended their broader role, emphasizing Islamabad’s efforts to broker the ceasefire and facilitate talks. Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif has called for «dialogue and diplomacy,» while officials say both Washington and Iran have expressed confidence in Pakistan’s mediation.

The talks are also unfolding against a challenging security backdrop.

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U.S. officials have long treated Pakistan as a high-threat environment for official travel, with strict movement controls and layered security measures typically required for American personnel.

Bill Gage, a former Secret Service agent who traveled to Islamabad with President George W. Bush, told Fox News Digital the threat environment in Pakistan historically has ranked among the most severe faced by U.S. protective teams, requiring constant coordination and heightened precautions.

«The threat environment in Pakistan was one of the worst the Secret Service had ever operated in,» Gage said of his experience in 2006. «We were briefed that al-Qaeda wanted to kidnap an agent, so we always had to be in pairs.»

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A cloud of uncertainty hung April 10 over the scheduled start of talks in Pakistan between the United States and Iran,.

Islamabad is set to host peace talks between Iran and the U.S. April 11, 2026.  (Farooq NAEEM / AFP via Getty Images)

Pakistan continues to grapple with persistent terrorism threats. 

The State Department currently classifies the country as a Level 3 travel risk, warning of potential attacks, crime and kidnapping, and noting that extremist groups have carried out strikes in major cities, including Islamabad.

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Still, U.S. officials view the Islamabad meeting as a rare opening for diplomacy, with discussions expected to include nuclear restrictions, sanctions relief and broader regional security issues.

Whether the talks produce a lasting breakthrough or plunge the Middle East back into conflict may hinge on whether both Washington and Iran are willing to move beyond decades of mistrust.

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