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How Donald Trump tried to court the Atlantic – and why the liberal magazine landed an interview
Hell hath frozen over: At the White House the other day, Donald Trump «was launching a charm offensive, directed mainly at Goldberg,» as in Jeffrey Goldberg, the Atlantic’s editor-in-chief. «There was none of the name-calling or hostility he regularly levels at our magazine.»
That’s according to Atlantic reporters Ashley Parker and Michael Scherer, who wrote the magazine’s cover story, which was posted yesterday.
For all the insights gleaned from the interview, nothing is more fascinating than how it came about.
They called the president on his cell phone. (Wha? Who do I have to court to get that? The reporters ain’t saying.)
Trump says he did the initial phone interview to see if the liberal magazine could be fair.
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So I’m here to pronounce that the entire, seemingly endless piece is fair. The president hasn’t taken a shot at it on Truth Social, at least so far.
He has, however, ripped new polls from the «Failing New York Times» and «ABC/Washington Post» as «FAKE POLLS FROM FAKE NEWS ORGANIZATIONS,» saying they should be «investigated for ELECTION FRAUD, and add in the Fox News Pollster while you’re at it.» His lowest approval rating, in the Post-ABC survey, was 39 percent.
Meanwhile, we may now look back on Trump’s 2024 victory as inevitable, but after Jan. 6 it was anything but. On the cell call, «The president seemed exhilarated by everything he had managed to do in the first two months of his second term.»
President Trump recently gave an interview to The Atlantic. (BRENDAN SMIALOWSKI/AFP via Getty Images)
And then came the transaction: «As ever, Trump was on the hunt for a deal. If he liked the story we wrote, he said, he might even speak with us again.»
Goldberg describes the session: «What I found in this particular meeting was a Trump who was low-key, attentive, and eager to convince us that he is good at his job and good for the country. It isn’t easy to escape the tractor beam of his charisma, but somehow we managed, and we asked him what needed to be asked.
«But squaring Trump the Charmer with the Orcish Trump we more frequently see is difficult…Trump posted on the social-media platform he owns that Ashley is a ‘Radical Left Lunatic’ (she is not) and that Michael ‘has never written a fair story about me, only negative, and virtually always LIES’ (also false). It is our task at the Atlantic not to be bullied by these sorts of attacks.»
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The most interesting Trump sound bite is his comparison of the two terms:
«The first time, I had two things to do—run the country and survive; I had all these crooked guys. And the second time, I run the country and the world.»
Parker and Scherer did many other interviews, such as with Steve Bannon. «Our reality is that we won,» and he cited the conspiracy theory that the FBI had incited the crowd on Jan. 6. The reporters said that was simply untrue.
«Now, here’s the interesting thing,» Bannon said. «Who’s won that argument? I think we have…
«This time it’s ‘Hey, f**k you, Greenland’s ours…When you’ve come back from such long odds, you clearly feel, ‘I can do anything.’ »
What about the four criminal investigations, including the conviction on the weakest one – Alvin Bragg’s hush money case? Trump says his numbers kept going up.
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«Shockingly, yes,» Trump said. «Normally, it would knock you out. You wouldn’t even live for the next day. You know, you’d announce your resignation, and you’d go back and ‘fight for your name,’ like everybody says—you know, ‘fight for your name, go back to your family.’ …Yeah, it made me stronger, made me a lot stronger.»
He also said in the phone interview: «I got indicted five different times by five different scumbags, and they’re all looking for jobs now, so it’s one of those things. Who would have thought, right? It’s been pretty amazing.»
After the 2016 election, Trump told oil executives at Mar-a-Lago:
If I’m not president, you’re f***ed. Look at your profit-and-loss statements. You realize what would have happened to you if she was president? What’s wrong with you?») She was Kamala Harris, of course.
Referring to the criminal cases against him – including the charges brought forth by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, Trump said «it made [him] stronger.» (Fulton County Sheriff’s Office via AP / Trump-Vance Transition Team)
One turning point: When he went to East Palestine, Ohio after the derailment of a train carrying toxic chemicals, while Joe Biden didn’t do squat.
On the Kennedy Center: «I didn’t really get to go the first time, because I was always getting impeached or some bulls**t, and I could never enjoy a show.» So he fired the Democrats and made himself chairman.
All right, enough quotes. Wait, one more that captures the tone of the piece:
«I got 38 percent of the male Black vote. Nobody knew that was possible. That’s a lot. I got 56 percent of Hispanics. How about that one? Every county along the Texas border is Hispanic. I won every one of them.» Though every single number he cited was wrong, the general thrust of his observation was correct.»
The reporters chronicled how things have gone south for the president, especially on tariffs and the economy, and how he pressured Hill Republicans into backing his nominees with primary threats.
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After the March phone interview, the reporters tried Trump’s cellphone again. Just got voice mail. But at 1:38 am, he tried them back. No message.
Trump believes he can win over even his worst enemies. In 2015 or 2016, I watched him make a beeline in the New York green room for Karl Rove, who was very rough on him. At worst, he thinks, he can neutralize the person. Or soften him or her up for the next time. He enjoys the challenge.
The mainstream media almost uniformly can’t stand Donald Trump. He does invite some of his own negative headlines, while providing unprecedented access, but much of the press is back in Resistance mode.
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Still, the Atlantic’s original pitch is undeniable, that he’s «The Most Consequential President of the 21st Century.»
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Dr. Gal Rosen is an Israeli paramedic who has saved lives under the threat of missile attacks.
Racing from emergency to emergency, heart pounding, but calm under fire — «don’t think, just act.»
He said he lost his mother when he was a child at the hands of a murderous terrorist. He saved lives as an army paramedic, but he continues to do it now as a civilian — defiantly choosing to live in Israel and work at Tel Aviv’s Magen David Adom (MDA) while under threat and emergencies from multiple-front wars.
He saves lives in the «dark» of war. He sees lives go, sometimes after making difficult split-second decisions.
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Dr. Gal Rosen, a Tel Aviv paramedic, has delivered five babies in his time, but Nikola’s baby boy was his first born under the stress of missile attack and blaring Iron Dome sirens. (Viri Acoca / Photo Provided)
«We need to choose sometimes,» he says, speaking to Fox News Digital during a rare moment off between emergencies. «And this is hard.»
But, today, he is sharing a story of «light’: a stark contrast from the stories he usually refuses to share with his family to spare them the horrifying realities of war — even if they live those themselves.
Last Thursday, Rosen delivered a healthy baby boy into the world and, in sudden threat of a missile attack and blaring sirens, carried that son away from the mother in the ambulance as he and the father raced to reach a bomb shelter.
This is his fifth emergency delivery of a newborn as a paramedic. It was his first under the threat of a missile attack and blaring sirens.
«It was so surrealistic situation, in my opinion, never happened to me, something like this,» he said, able to smile about the gravity of it all one week later, after finally finding sleep and time to reflect.
«This is an amazing thing to share at home,» Rosen said. «Most of my stories are not like this, most of our stories I share are really hard things for my family to hear. This is why, usually, I’m not sharing with my family stories from my work: ‘Sorry, I’m not doing it.’
«Car accidents or about the CPRs or about really difficult situations that I had to deal with.»
Just two days after bringing one life into the world, he saw five go.
«I had, like last Saturday, five cases of death in the shift,» he said. «I don’t want to get home and tell about it in my family, right? But this story is amazing.
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MDA Dr. Gal Rosen smiles, telling his remarkable story of ‘light’ as a paramedic delivering a newborn baby under the ‘dark’ of war and under the stress of a missile interception with sirens blaring. (Fox News Original)
«I went to my grandma,» he continued, «and said, ‘You have to hear it.’
«She was so proud of me and also my family and my father and my friends and my partner. Of course, this is a really nice story to tell to everyone.«
The call came around 6:30 a.m. local Tel Aviv time on a Thursday morning: a woman was in labor, getting an assist on emergency delivery over the phone as if it was a movie.
But this was real life, a new life, and war.
By the time the MDA paramedic team arrived, the baby was still inside and the husband was helping his wife through the final moments of delivery. Dr. Rosen stepped in for the last few minutes and helped safely deliver the boy.
Then came the alert.
Within moments, a warning sounded that a missile attack on Tel Aviv was expected in about 10 minutes. The paramedic suddenly had to balance the urgency of a wartime emergency with the delicate, critical first steps of childbirth.
He quickly placed the newborn on the mother’s chest for skin-to-skin contact, a key step for bonding and early development. He had the father cut the umbilical cord and helped the mother nurse the baby for the first time.
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«I tried to do something as close as possible to reality for them,» he said, wanting to preserve the intimacy of a normal birth even though they were far from a hospital delivery room.
With the help of the father and her team, he then moved the family into the building’s shelter. There, in the middle of blaring alarms and the sounds of missile interceptions overhead, relatives from the apartment building — a grandmother, an aunt and others — came downstairs and saw the baby for the first time.
«It was the first time they met the baby, while there were alarms,» he said.
«Adrenaline» and former army paramedic instinct took over.
«I put the helmet, I put the vest and everything, I took the baby, and we stopped by the side and I ran with the baby to a public shelter,» he recalled. «So me and the father, we’re running together, I’m taking the baby with me, running to a shelter and just a random building and there was no shelter there.
«‘OK, this is not good.’ We need to go out.
«And we’re going out. There is still alarms; I know that we have like maybe 20 seconds left, going to another building, and then we’re getting into a public shelter. There is 50 people there in the shelter and they closed the door. We were still there standing in the shelter, so I gave the father the baby.
«I didn’t want the idea for the father also — you know in the future — to think about the situation that a stranger held his baby while there is a missile attack.«
In the shelter, with the postpartum mother still in the ambulance under the Iron Dome, the unmistakable sound of war came with a shock.
«We also heard the interception with the Iron Dome,» Rosen said.
The sound, he said, was impossible to ignore: «a boom,» followed by a shock wave you could feel.
The air was vibrating.
The grateful father and mother, identified by MDA as Nikola and Violet, said the experience was frightening but that the emergency team helped keep them calm.
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«It wasn’t a simple experience,» they wrote in a joint statement, preferring to keep privacy but permitting Dr. Rosen to share the war story out of praise and thankfulness.
«The labor started at home, and just minutes after the MDA team delivered the baby, the siren caught us, and we went down to a shelter. The team functioned amazingly, calmed us, and treated us in the best possible way. This isn’t the ideal experience, but we’re happy everything ended safely, and we’re grateful to the team who helped us so much.»
In that cramped shelter of about 50 huddling Israelis, surrounded by strangers and the threat of falling missiles, the room broke into applause. People congratulated the father and shouted «Mazal tov.»
Mother was still in the ambulance with members of the MDA team, still at risk postpartum, as the Iron Dome was busting missiles overhead.
«And after 10 minutes that we sat there, we went out, and we walked in the street with a baby, 30 minutes old, crossing the intersection together, going to the ambulance,» Rosen said. «They put a helmet on her and a vest on the mother, and one of my teammates stayed with her, because she couldn’t come to the shelter. It was too much time, too risky for her.
«And, you know, in these moments, I didn’t think so much. So I just act.
«I realized that it would be better to protect the son; it would better to go to find a shelter. And we didn’t think about the idea that maybe we’ll be in alarms, because we were in the situation, we were at the moment, we’re with the family, with the delivery, with everything, and you can’t imagine something like this — even though it’s Israel, and now we can actually imagine everything.
«Still, it was really, really, really exciting — excitement and happiness – and a good thing because most of our days right now are dark.»
Despite losing his mother to a murderous terrorist and living under the threat of multiple-front wars and shrieking Iron Dome sirens and missile attacks, Rosen would choose no other life.
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Magen David Adom (MDA) emergency teams respond to the scene of Iranian missile barrages in Tel Aviv, Israel on Friday, June 13, 2025. (Magen David Adom (MDA))
«My mother was murdered in a terror attack when I was a kid, when I was a child, and to choose to still be here with my family, to live here: This is our home and to choose, going to a different path, not hate.
«I will save lives, and I will do my best to help other families going through these situations, and I will do my best to make sure there are no other families that will need to suffer from a loss.
«So I think this is the mentality of Israelis in general. But still, see, this is one of the only places in the world that people are getting rescued by a flight to come back to Israel.
«In a war,» he deadpanned.
But, with everything happening under the stress of war, Rosen kept the calm, precision and resolve of an army paramedic, knowing the best medicine for a baby born under stress is skin-to-skin and mother’s milk.
«I learned in med school, I learned these two things are the most important: Put the baby on the skin, give them the bond, help her to nurse,» he said. «It also can help the mother a lot when she nursing the baby. It’s also helping with postpartum bleeding. And a lot of things.
«So this situation, it’s hard to do when we are in this missile attack.»
But all is well that ended well and — in the case of Nikola and Violet’s newborn — began as well as could be under the circumstances.
«I was so excited I couldn’t sleep for — like the delivery, it was something like 17 hours into my shift,» he recalled. «So I worked 16 hours. It was after 17 hours shift.
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«Now and after 17 hours shift, I went back home, I tried to sleep, I couldn’t sleep, and then I had to go to another shift. So I was awake for at least 24 hours.«
One week later, the adrenaline and excitement have not worn off. And the baby boy, mother, father and MDA paramedic team live on to tell an all-timer.
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FLASHBACK: Dem senate candidate was critical vote in confirming judge who tied voter ID to ‘White supremacy’
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As the debate on voter ID and the SAVE America Act rages on in the Senate, a former Democratic senator from Ohio, Sherrod Brown, is facing heat from his political opponents as he runs to return to the Senate over his votes and positions on the election integrity issue.
«You know, it’s inconsistent to denounce White supremacy but not repudiate voter ID laws, to not repudiate the Muslim ban, to not repudiate ‘the wall,’» Natasha Merle, then nominee for the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York, said during a 2017 podcast, Fox News Digital reported during her confirmation process in 2022.
«These are all things that support and are grounded in White supremacy. The voter ID bills disproportionately impact Black and Brown voters. They disproportionately prevent Black and Latino voters from voting. So you cannot say you are not for White supremacy and at the same time be for disenfranchising Black and Latino voters.»
Additionally, Merle appeared to compare today’s voter ID laws to «dogs and whips» being used to control minority populations in a 2020 speech to college students on Martin Luther King Jr. Day.
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Former Sen. Sherrod Brown, a Democrat from Ohio, during a campaign event at the Steubenville City Building in Steubenville, Ohio, on Friday, Oct. 11, 2024. (Justin Merriman/Bloomberg via Getty Images)
«We cannot lose sight of states such as Alabama, Texas, Florida that have created new barriers to make voting harder, including by eliminating early voting, passing restrictive voter ID laws, and purging legal voters from their rolls — all of this happening with the implicit and sometimes explicit support of the Justice Department,» Merle said.
Despite these comments, Merle was confirmed as a federal judge in 2023 by a 1-vote margin with the support of then-Ohio Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown, who is currently running a campaign to return to the Senate after losing his seat in 2024, and no Republican support.
«That’s a shocking, radical point of view,» Ohio GOP incumbent Sen. Jon Husted, who Brown is trying to unseat, told Fox News Digital about Merle’s comments. «I didn’t really know much about that particular judge, but I’m shocked to learn those facts. I’ll just say this, when you look at the polling data, 60 to 70% of African-American and Hispanic voters support the idea of voter ID.»
Democrat opposition to voter ID was brought to the forefront of the news cycle earlier this month when Husted, during the debate about the SAVE America Act, attempted to pass a standalone voter ID bill through unanimous consent in a move to test Democratic claims they don’t oppose voter ID but rather take issue with other measures of the bill.
The measure would have enacted a nationwide voter ID requirement, though 36 states already have similar rules on the books. The Ohio Republican said citizens could use a state-issued driver’s license, a U.S. passport or valid military or tribal ID to meet the requirement.
Democrats blocked the measure on the Senate floor.
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Senator Jon Husted, a Republican from Ohio, during a Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee confirmation hearing in Washington, D.C., on Thursday, Feb. 13, 2025. (Getty Images)
«I gave them a simple, clean, straightforward proposal, and then they blocked it, and then when we took it to a roll call vote, every single Democrat voted against it, thus proving that they were unwilling to put their words into action when given the choice,» Husted said, adding that Democrats are «controlled» by the «radical left» wing of the party.
Shortly after the showdown, Brown called voter ID, which is utilized in Ohio, one of the «unnecessary barriers that threaten the ability of hardworking Ohioans to vote early, mail in their ballots, or vote on Election Day.»
Husted told Fox News Digital that Brown «consistently voted in lockstep with the radical left of his party, which are out of touch with how people in Ohio live their lives on a daily basis.»
«During the Biden years, Sherrod Brown and Democrats let over 10 million people into this country, many of them not properly vetted, many of them not here legally, many of those who have the ability to get on voter rules in states where they don’t properly maintain voter rules,» Husted said. «Because understand, in places like California, you can vote simply with a signature. All you have to do is come up with a signature that looks close to the person who’s properly registered and you can cast a ballot. That’s the kind of stuff we’re trying to solve.»
A Fox News poll released in September 2025 found that 84% of registered voters said photo ID should be required to prove citizenship before voting.
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Natasha C. Merle, nominee to be U.S. District Judge for the Eastern District of New York, testifies during her Senate Judiciary Committee confirmation hearing on judicial nominations in the Dirksen Building on Wednesday, April 27, 2022. (Tom Williams/CQ-Roll Call, Inc via Getty Images)
Ohio’s current Secretary of State, Republican Frank LaRose, also called out Brown’s «unnecessary barrier comment» in a post on X saying, «Americans support photo ID, and Ohio proves it works.»
Husted, who previously served as Ohio’s secretary of state, told Fox News Digital that Democrat claims of racial «disenfranchisement» haven’t occurred in his state with voter ID.
«In the last election, we had the second-highest turnout in a presidential election of the last four presidential elections,» Husted said. «It clearly doesn’t suppress voters and I’m highly confident that Hispanic and African American voters are just as capable of using a photo ID as anyone else.»
Fox News Digital reached out to Brown’s campaign for comment.
Fox News Digital’s Alex Miller and Adam Pack contributed to this report.
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