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Theologian on ‘Conclave’ accuracy, expectations for next secretive event after Pope Francis’ death

Though controversial, one of the least contentious 2025 Oscar-nominated films was «Conclave,» an Edward Berger-directed mystery thriller starring Ralph Fiennes, Isabella Rossellini and Stanley Tucci, which brings to life the political and religious traditions regarding how Catholic cardinals elect a new pope.
The conclave will gather again in actuality as the Vatican revealed that Pope Francis, 88, the leader of the Catholic Church, passed on April 21, 2025, the day after Easter Sunday.
Though released in October 2024, «Conclave» struck a deep chord with viewers as Pope Francis’ declining health was made known to the public in February 2025. Pope Francis battled bilateral pneumonia in the months before his death.
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In the film, «Conclave,» starring Ralph Fiennes, Isabella Rossellini and Stanley Tucci, cardinals gather to elect a new pope. (Robyn Beck/AFP via Getty Images)
The film closely follows the novel of the same name written by author Robert Harris.
«That was fairly accurate,» Dennis Doyle, professor emeritus at the University of Dayton in Ohio, told Fox News Digital.
Doyle taught at the Catholic research university for 40 years.
«There were just a few differences, like some of the Latin wasn’t exact, the carpet was red in the movie and its beige in real life,» Doyle said. «The seating arrangements were done very dramatically in the movie. They’re not exactly that way in real life. And even the way the voting was done was not exactly the same.»
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Pope Francis was elected pope in 2013, after Pope Benedict XVI stepped down from his role due to health concerns. (Gregorio Borgia/AP)
Despite the creative liberties, Doyle felt the film was «done very accurately.»
«I was surprised at how well it was done and how they were able to present the characters in a way that every character in a certain sense was sympathetic,» Doyle told Fox News Digital.
In preparation for the film, Doyle read the book twice.
«In the book, the character was transgender but didn’t go through with the operation,» Doyle said. «In the movie, the character was intersex, somebody who was born both ways, but still who didn’t go through with the operation.»
Some Catholics took to social media at the time the film was released to regard it as «anti-Catholic» and «dishonest».
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Dennis Doyle, professor emeritus at the University of Dayton, told Fox News Digital the Oscar-winning film «Conclave» was «fairly accurate» to the proceedings of a true conclave. (Yara Nardi/Reuters)
«I thought that everything in the movie was very realistic until the very end,» Doyle said. «I thought that, on a literal level, it really wasn’t very realistic. I don’t think that would happen, that somebody that was intersex would get elected pope. But symbolically, I thought the ending was very interesting.»
«I could see that the ending could be a turnoff for some Catholics,» he added.
Doyle said that, while «kind of far-fetched,» the film spoke to the question of the role of women in the church and whether the Catholic Church can become equal to men and women.
«In the film, all of the people serving the cardinals are sisters,» Doyle said. «They’re all nuns and in real life, in that building, there’s simply a staff that works in that building, and they would be the people who would put out the meals and who would change the beds and that kind of thing.»
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Catholic cardinals will gather for a papal conclave in the weeks following Pope Francis’ death on April 21, 2025. (Arturo Mari, Vatican Pool)
The deeper issue, Doyle said, is that the film portrays men in leadership roles and women as servants.
«The conversation about transgender is relatively recent [in the church],» Doyle said. «I really think that the conversation is more in the United States and Europe than it is in the Catholic Church globally or even necessarily in Rome.»
The Vatican released a declaration, Vatican’s Dignitas Infinita, in 2024 where Pope Francis condemned gender theory. The document asserted that attempts to alter an individual’s immutable gender are ultimately misguided attempts to play God.
«You could watch this whole movie and until the last two minutes it’s not an issue in the film. It doesn’t really come up. There’s a couple of foreshadowings of what the conclusion is going to be, but the movie is not about that,» Doyle said.
Following Pope Francis’ death, Doyle believes the newly released film will generate interest in the Catholic Church.
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«It may make people more aware that there is a lot of politicking that goes on and that is an interesting theme in the movie and in the book,» he said. «I don’t think it will really have any impact on how people think about the church other than to maybe in general, it makes the ideal of the conclave interesting.»
«Conclave» was nominated for a slew of 2025 Academy Award nominations, including Best Picture and Best Actor, and won for Best Adapted Screenplay.
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Despabílate amor: ¿cómo y cuándo nos despertaremos de nuestra única vida?

Lo peor que nos puede pasar es que los años pasen y nosotros como si nada. Seguir siendo los mismos salames. Ya lo dijo Eladia Blázquez: “No, permanecer y transcurrir, no es perdurar, no es existir, ni honrar la vida. Hay tantas maneras de no ser, tanta conciencia sin saber, adormecida”. Hermosa y sabia compositora argentina. Y fue hace poco que me reencontré con su música, de la mano de Fermín Prieto, increíble tenor del Teatro Colón, en una gala en el Palacio Paz. Y entonces, el interrogante: ¿estaremos honrando la vida?
Justo, por esos días, leía al filósofo francés Francois Jullien, recomendación de un psicoanalista a quien aprecio y respeto mucho. Una segunda vida, editado por Cuenco de Plata y traducido por Silvio Mattoni, está dedicado a “quien sabe leer por segunda vez” y es una invitación a la relectura, la retoma y el reenganche con la vida. “Por qué sigo viviendo? (…) es cierto que a la pregunta brutal y trivial como es, uno puede apresurarse a enterrarla, a adormecerla bajo las preocupaciones diarias. Pero corroe. Uno la lleva consigo”, asegura el autor. Y es verdad. El interrogante del sentido arde a la luz del desconcierto, la desilusión y la poca fe en que algo pueda movernos el amperímetro. Y esto sucede, sobre todo, hacia la segunda mitad de la vida, esa misma segunda vida que el francés quiere vendernos en este audaz escrito de apenas 156 páginas. Y lo consigue.
“No tenemos más que una vida, es algo evidente. No podemos salir de nuestra vida y volver a entrar. (…) No tenemos vida de recambio o de repuesto. (…) La vida no puede ser jugada de nuevo, no es una partida que podemos volver a empezar. (…) Entonces: ¿en qué medida podré recomenzar a vivir, pero en la misma continuidad de mi vida? Esa segunda vida no puede ser más que esta vida, desde el momento en que no existe otra, al mismo tiempo que se disocia lo suficiente de ella, prolongándose de manera que un nuevo comienzo pueda esbozarse”, explica Jullien en el primer capítulo. Y son 9. Así que, ¡agárrate!
Así las cosas, estimados y mientras avanzo en la lectura frenética, y subrayo frases o párrafos completos- de manera compulsiva-, tengo la ilusión de que esas palabras aniden en mi cerebro y en mi alma. Quiero tenerlas ahí por siempre. Es que las necesito y mucho. Porque: ¿quién no se ilusiona con la posibilidad de una segunda vida? Pero no. Año nuevo, vida nueva y todas esas pavadas, no. No se refiere a eso. Es otra cosa, dado que ese “nuevo comienzo” viene de la “inmanencia de la misma vida, pero que se ha elaborado hasta ese punto, se ha reflexionado y se vuelve concertada, porque ha madurado una decisión, que creció, se fortaleció, y sobre la cual uno podrá calzarse cada vez mejor para separarse un poco de sí mismo, de la adhesividad al propio pasado, y reemprender su vida. (…) Nuestra vida se vuelve a pensar, se relanza, desprende nuevas posibilidades”. Me encanta. Pero: ¿se podrá?
“Es solo por decantación de nuestra experiencia y por la distancia tomada con respecto a lo que ésta no deja de implicar y de imponer, de contener, que algo se permite estar más cerca de una iniciativa. (…) al empezar a volver sobre la vida pasada, nos acercamos más a esa capacidad de iniciar. (…) será en la reanudación de la propia vida que tal vez se corrija lo que se había elegido mal, pero sobre todo que se ponga en condiciones, por la distancia adquirida, de poder elegir lo que no lo había sido antes”, continua el filósofo. Algo así como retomar lo que dejamos atrás y darle una nueva leída. Que todo eso sirva para algo. Que podamos traerlo a la conciencia. Que se transforme en el insumo y no en el lastre. Una relectura de nuestra existencia que sirva de trampolín para dar inicio a lo que uno se proponga de ahora en más. Porque depende exclusivamente de cada uno. Y en este punto creo que todos estamos de acuerdo: para estar mejor hay que poder registrar y solo después de eso, remar.

No es magia. Es transformarse a partir de las “verdades decantadas”. Y también, y lo más evidente, es que podremos hacerlo al considerar nuestra propia muerte como la única certeza absoluta. La conciencia de muerte es lo que nos corre, además del tiempo. “Filosofar es aprender a vivir: a partir del momento en que uno efectivamente puso su muerte delante de sí, como un cráneo sobre su mesa, uno ha entrado ipso facto en una segunda vida. La primera vida es aquella en la que mirar de frente la propia muerte se evita. La segunda vida, en cambio, es aquella que se abre debido a que comencé a plantear mi muerte como cumplimiento. Porque a partir de allí se define una segunda etapa por vivir”.
Jullien plantea una diferencia importante entre la “segunda vida” y la vejez (porque no es una condición cronológica), y entre la segunda vida y la sabiduría (porque el paso del tiempo no asegura nada: hay viejos sabios, pero también hay viejos nabos). Y también dice que pasar de la primera a la segunda vida no tiene por qué ser dramático ni ruidoso. El filósofo francés lo plantea más bien como un “proceso silencioso” y gradual. Pero pasa lo siguiente: esta oportunidad no es para cualquiera y no se compra de manera virtual. Porque no todos tenemos las ganas, la visión, la voluntad o el registro que requiere poder disfrutar de un nuevo comienzo, como continuidad de la vida que veníamos transitando. Pero y entonces: ¿cómo se hace? “¡Nadaremos, nadaremos!”, decía Dory en Buscando a Nemo, “Y qué hay que hacer? Nadar, nadar, nadar”. Y me parece que la cosa es por ahí. Bucear. Remar. Y remar mucho. Y hacerlo, según revela el filósofo, con experiencia, lucidez y desprendimiento. Y a cada una de esas condiciones, le dedica un capítulo entero. “Uno deviene lúcido por experiencia y se alcanza procesualmente. La luz viene por sí misma, a partir de todo lo que se ha vivido y atravesado. La lucidez nombra la capacidad de un sujeto que accede a la segunda vida. (…) Fui conducido a ella por las experiencias atravesadas al mismo tiempo que contribuí para que fuera tomada en cuenta. Entonces la lucidez me llega por todo lo vivido. (…) Al disociarnos de la vida segura, percibimos lo que la vida es esencialmente. Enfrentarla y sacar provecho de ella es lo que desemboca en una segunda vida”. Suena difícil pero posible.
Entonces: ¿podremos- más tarde que nunca- no repetirnos sino más bien retomarnos y empezar a re-vivir? Y la respuesta está en el último capítulo, el 9, titulado Relectura, retoma y reenganche. “Cuando uno lee por primera vez, está pendiente del hilo de lo que se lee. Está a la espera de un después, que lleva más lejos. (…) La primera vez que leemos una novela podemos estar atentos a tal descripción de un rostro o de un paisaje (…)”. Pero: ¿qué ocurre con la relectura? Hace que finalmente podamos elegir esa novela. “Porque la relectura no está apurada por dar vuelta la página: la presente es su horizonte suficiente. La relectura se toma su tiempo, se demora, es meditativa- todo importa. (…) Ya no es primaria, estrecha de miras y reactiva, sino que es desprendida. La relectura no es repetición, no reproduce la primera, no la duplica, sino que la despliega”. Y es eso.
El ensayo de François Jullian, acerca de vivir la segunda vida, es una invitación a desplegar la primera. Es retomarme con la confianza de una segunda ocasión, pero esta vez sé más y entiendo mejor de qué forma depende de mí y cómo puedo abordarla. “(…) Es preciso haber dado la vuelta a la vida antes de empezar a vivir. Re vinculándose, releyéndose a medida que avanza, ya no decretada sino develada, (una vida) que comienza selectivamente a elegir con mayor lucidez”. Amén.
♦ Se formó en la Escuela Superior de París y estudió la lengua y el pensamiento chino en las universidades de Pekín y Shanghái. Es doctor en estudios del Lejano Oriente.
♦ Fue presidente de la Asociación francesa de estudios chinos, director del Departamento de estudios asiáticos de la Universidad de Paris VII y presidente del Colegio internacional de filosofía.
♦ Actualmente es profesor en la Universidad de París VII y director del Instituto del pensamiento contemporáneo y el Centro Marcel Granet y miembro senior del Instituto Universitario de Francia.
♦ Dirige L’Agenda de la pensée contemporaine, de la editorial Flammarion, además de ser consultor de empresas occidentales interesadas en establecerse en China.
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A faithful holds a portrait of late Pope Francis at the Basilica de San José de Flores, where he worshiped as a youth, following the Vatican’s announcement of his death in Buenos Aires, Argentina, Monday, April 21, 2025. (Gustavo Garello/AP)
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Pope Francis’ funeral will be simplified version of past papal funerals, per his change of papal funeral rites
The funeral for Pope Francis will include many long-held traditions, but will also eschew some of the more intricate customs after the pope amended the Catholic Church’s papal funeral rights.
Francis died Monday at age 88, the Vatican announced.
While much of the tradition associated with papal funerals – which dates all the way back to ancient Rome – will continue, matters such as Francis’ coffin structure, his death verification process, burial location, and how he will be viewed and referred to during the ceremony, will be different from how it has been in the past.
Francis, who had battled pneumonia for weeks before being released from the hospital and appearing on Easter Sunday, had faced health complications for many years and had to have half of one of his lungs removed as a young person.
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Pope Francis greets cardinals as he unexpectedly appears during the Palm Sunday Mass in Saint Peter’s Square at the Vatican, April 13, 2025. (Yara Nardi/Reuters)
Francis’ move to change these papal funeral traditions, some of which date all the way back to ancient Rome, stemmed from a desire to emphasize that the pope is «that of a shepherd and disciple of Christ and not of a powerful man of this world,» according to Archbishop Diego Ravelli, the head of papal liturgical ceremonies who reportedly worked with Francis to help make the revisions. The rewrite was also preceded by the unusual circumstances of Pope Benedict XVI’s funeral, which deviated from traditional papal funerals on account of the fact he was a retired pope rather than a reigning one.
The new funeral rites were formally approved by Francis in 2023 and were later published in the church’s liturgical guidelines in early 2024. Around the same time he was working on these revisions, the pope revealed during an interview with a Spanish-language broadcaster that he would not be buried in the grottoes of the Vatican like his predecessors, but rather at Santa Maria Maggiore basilica in Rome. The new papal rights make it permissible for future popes to be buried outside the Vatican as well.
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In addition to the different burial location, the new papal funeral rites have amended the way the pope will be viewed by the public following his death. In the past, the pope’s body would be displayed on an elevated frame known as a bier. But, under the new funeral structure, the pope will be laid directly into an open coffin, eliminating the use of the bier. Pope Francis also eliminated the practice of being buried in three coffins made of cypress, lead and oak.
The location of where Francis would be declared deceased changed too. It went from taking place in the papal bedroom to now inside the papal chapel located at the Vatican. The new rules also require that Pope Francis’ remains be immediately put into a simplistic wooden-lined coffin after he is determined to have passed.

Incense is cast over the coffin of Pope John Paul II by German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger during the funeral mass in St. Peter’s Square on April 8, 2005 in Vatican City. Cardinals under the age of 80 will start the conclave on April 18 where a new Pope will be elected. (Photo by Peter Macdiarmid/Getty Images)
Confirming the death of the Pope is the job of the camerlengo, a senior clergy member who manages the Vatican during transition periods between Popes. That position is currently occupied by Irish-born Cardinal Kevin Farrell, who said Monday, «With immense gratitude for his example as a true disciple of the Lord Jesus, we commend the soul of Pope Francis to the infinite merciful love of the One and Triune God.»
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Another notable change includes how the pope will be referenced during the ceremony following his death. Rather than being referenced by past titles he has obtained as a clergy leader in the Catholic Church, officials will mostly use Latin terms for «pope,» «bishop,» or «pastor.»

Archbishop Stanislaw Dsiwisz (Right) places a white veil over the face of late Pope John Paul II as Archbishop Piero Marini looks on, prior to closing the coffin for burial in the grottos beneath St. Peter’s Basilica April 8, 2005 at the Vatican. The grottoes form a cramped underground cemetery beneath St. Peter’s Basilica where pontiffs throughout the ages, royals and even an emperor have been laid to rest. (Photo by Osservatore Romano-Pool/Getty Images)
Archbishop Ravelli said during a 2024 presentation of the revised papal funeral rights that a new edition was reflective of Francis’ view, stated on several occasions Ravelli said, «of the need to simplify and adapt certain rites so that the celebration of the funeral of the Bishop of Rome may better express the faith of the Church in the Risen Christ.»
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Before the new edition of the papal rites was formally passed, the church followed the guidelines in the «Ordo Exsequiarum Romani Pontificis» approved in 1998 by Saint John Paul II and published two years later, according to The National Catholic Register.
Those guidelines were used for Pope John Paul II’s 2005 funeral, but was modified to meet the unusual circumstances of Pope Benedict XVI’s passing.
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